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How strong is Pan?
Topic Started: Mar 23 2014, 11:08 PM (5,514 Views)
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Mar 26 2014, 07:59 PM
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Mar 26 2014, 07:57 PM
Kamikaze Pyro
Mar 26 2014, 07:52 PM
It's literally a fact that he went from 90,000 to at least 3,000,000 healing from the Ginyu fight.
Aaaand that's not what I'm disputing.
What the hell are you even arguing, my foolish peon? Do you bite your thumb at me?!


The first zenkai. Pay attention, hombre.

SuperSaiyan2
Mar 26 2014, 07:59 PM
What is any of this even relevant to? lol


Pan's fast gains, apparently.
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I don't get what the problem is. There is no reason to start number crunching especially when we saw huge gains in Z. Toei decides how strong their characters are, whether intentionally or not, so people just need to deal with it.
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But I don't like it.
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Too bad. I don't like Base Gotenks > SSJ Gotenks Pre but I suck it up.
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Mar 26 2014, 08:06 PM
Too bad. I don't like Base Gotenks > SSJ Gotenks Pre but I suck it up.


I thought that was a valid reason for discounting something. See, it's only natural that if you don't like something, you'll try whatever you can to make it not so, or make it less so. That's mostly what I'm trying to do in this case. A normally invalid reason becomes valid. It's...amazing.
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I know you're trolling but you're bringing up good points. If you have bias like that, you should quit while you can. That's all I have to say about that.
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Fair enough. I'll have to repost what I said earlier to reiterate some things.
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In Episode 49, Pan was beating the absolute crap out of Liang Xing Long (Haze). Obviously after her power dropped due to his poison mist, he took the upper hand and even Goku felt it necessary to turn Super Saiyan when she was in trouble, though he couldn't anymore. Of course, he was stated to be the weakest Evil Dragon, so this doesn't mean a whole lot in the grand scheme.

She didn't do anything in Episode 50 against Wu Xing Long (Rage). Goku did all of the work and killed that motherf***er.

Episode 51 against Lui Xing Long (Oceanus) is where Pan actually did something notable. I'm not quite sure how you perceived that Base Goku did all of the damage before Pan stepped in, or that he cracked the Dragon Ball when it was cracked to begin with. Aside from when Goku initially revealed he could imitate the spinning technique and bashed into Lui, he and Lui clashed a total of four times during their spinning contest, and those weren't even traditional clashes like punching and kicking. Neither of them had been stated or shown to have taken damage from those collisions -- Lui was perfectly fine afterward. Pan's Kamehameha was eradicating Lui and Goku sped up the process with his own, but it was still Pan who was delivering the initial finishing blow to a basically unharmed Lui Xing Long. Admittedly, I'll hand this bit to you, that Goku said it'd be a "piece of cake" if he could fight back from Lui's extreme spinning ability, so take that as you will.

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Oh that's just the tip of the iceberg my friend. Vegeta VS Initial Perfect Cell, Vegito VS Buuhan, Gotenks VS Buu and other times. Which fight are you even talking about here?

Episode 52, the one where Pan mocked Qi Xing Long's (Naturon) "ultimate finishing move" where he shot Kiko-Ha blasts from underground. She and Goku were laughing the attacks off and a point-blank one was easily dodged. Qi was complimented by SSjin 4 Goku earlier on for still standing after taking so many hits from him. The point of this is that the guys you're bringing up were contradicted in their boasting ways, but Pan wasn't, so what would there be to deny her statement aside from your own belief that it shouldn't be so?

I didn't review Qi's absorption of her yet so I ain't touching your belief on it.

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Yeah but going by your logic, Pan > Uub correct? It would make much more sense for her to do something (given that Uub has at least tried fighting Syn/Omega in the past) given that she's the great almighty SSJ4 tier fighter.

I'm not saying that's how powerful she is.

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How strong do you reckon Base Goku is?
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Mar 26 2014, 08:32 PM
How strong do you reckon Base Goku is?
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That's the rub. Is the person's dormant power that's unlocked in Super Saiyan 4 only available whilst in that form, meaning their body is only accustomed to the extra power like that, or is it unlocked and kept regardless of form?
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I think it's the former. Otherwise Goku could have used SSJ 4 on Syn, reverted to Base, transformed into SSJ 3 and gain a s*** load of power.
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Mar 26 2014, 08:39 PM
I think it's the former. Otherwise Goku could have used SSJ 4 on Syn, reverted to Base, transformed into SSJ 3 and gain a s*** load of power.
I'm beginning to like the former as well. That would keep things relatively comparable between each saga, though it'd make Oob look like a bigger weakling. Regardless, with this theory, Base Goku and Pan would have to be at least in stomping range of Boohan. If you think Vegeta kept most of the power he got from Baby (like SSjin 2 Vegeta [S17] >= SVB2), they'd have to be nearing that kind of level as well. Do the math.
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